Rob: Well, it's in the news just about every day. Just last week, I interviewed Leah Bolger, was arrested because she spoke up for speaking in front of the Super Committee after three days, and the Super Committee did not have one single member of the public speak, only lobbyists. And this week the news is about how protestors from Occupy Wall Street, who went on the Brooklyn Bridge, are being forced to have their twitter tweets be subpoenaed. So, it's happening. / I mean, it is happening.
Marina: / No, I agree. No, there's definitely repression. I'm sorry, I'm not meaning to - I guess I was comparing to Argentina. There's definitely political repression. There are attempts to criminalize. There are a ridiculous number of people who've been arrested for exercising what's even within our constitutional rights. So no, I would agree that it is.
Rob: In a sense, this little mini-conservation we just had on repression in Argentina and the U.S., it makes me think of "Boiling Frog Syndrome." The Argentinean government, they made a mistake, they shut down the banks, and they just turned up the hot water so hot instantly, that the people poured out into the street by the millions, and it overturned the government.
Here they're smarter, and they're gradually turning up the flames, strip mining the rights and the resources of Americans, which is the way I like to think of this being done to us here. And, so it doesn't happen so quickly and so screamingly obviously. It happens in little steps, like legislation that makes it an Act of Terrorism to engage in protest that's ecological in nature, which is already passed legislation. And I think that's the difference. And that's a challenge, really, in some ways, that the Americans are gradually being boiled like frogs, and that it's not--
Marina: Except that we are resisting. I mean I hear you, that it is a tactic. It's a different tactic, and it is a slower tactic, and that the attempt is definitely to do this boiling, but at the same time, the movements in the United States are so large and so powerful, and are calling out every moment of this happening that I'm really pretty confident that we're not going to get boiled. I think we're going to topple the pot and actually go out to yard.
Rob: Do you think so?
Marina: Yeah, I definitely do. I think we're at a whole new historical moment that is potentially a revolutionary moment. Not revolutionary in the sense that we're taking over the state revolutionary, I think it's a different kind of revolution that people are creating now, and it's an everyday transformative, taking- control-of-our-lives, revolutionary moment. No, I don't think there's anymore of the frogs. I think that's what the state will continue to try to do, but I think that resistance, organization, and creativity is so much bigger. The teeny towns and villages and people everywhere are organizing and supporting each other, and neighbors are going out in front of their neighbor's houses and refusing to allow marshals to come in and evict them. It's taking action in very direct ways with one another to survive and create something different. So, I think we're going to see that increase. And I'm very, very confident and in my confidence I actually need to go a May Day planning gathering that's happening very soon here in lower Manhattan.
Rob: Alright. What's your website?
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