Kall: And I think that’s really what you’re describing as the post-corporate world, too.
Korten: Well, I think it is. Yeah, I wasn’t quite so much into that, into this framing at that time..,
Kall: (Laughs) Creepy jerks is not the language you would use.
Korten: Laughs.
Kall: I’m sorry.
Korten: Well, of course, you know in, you know, that was back in a time also when I was very focused on the system. It was very clear in my mind when I wrote "When Corporations Rule the World". I’m not talking about bad people; I want people to understand the bad systems. By the time I got to writing "The Great Turning", which was after 9/11, and we were seeing the Bush administration and Enron and all that kind of crap. Phew! You know, I got to face up to this. There are some bad people too. They got some serious sh*t going on. And so, you know, in "The Great Turning", I explicitly talk about…
Kall: Good thing we’re off the radio now and on to the recording.
Korten: OH, yeah. You can blot that out.
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