RS: They've got a superabundance of recyclable plastic of their own, right?
DC: Mm-hmm.
RS: This myth of recycling -- yes, in the short run it's a good thing to do; yes, it's better than not doing anything else. But we've invested very heavily in recycling as the answer. The answer.
DC: We haven't invested heavily in it; corporate --
RS: Emotionally.
DC: No. Corporations, that is their messaging, that is their ad, that's their marketing, is that this is recycled. That is the messaging, that's their go-to. And it's false. Our first campaign, from the moment that we created Plastic Pollution Coalition, was to ask people to refuse single-use plastic. Whenever possible, refuse it. Don't buy your food packaged in it, because it's not good for your health. It's not good for the planet, it's not good for your health, it's not good for animals, it's not good for the ocean, waterways, lakes, the environment in general.
RS: I want to be clear, because you know, I've tried to make this accessible, and maybe I've made it a little lighter than it should be. But we're talking about the major, or one of the major, environmental problems in terms of the planet, right?
DC: Yes.
RS: So let's now get true religion, here.
DC: OK.
RS: What are we talking about, if we don't act on this in a better way than we've been doing up to now? We're not winning this battle.
DC: If we don't continue to evolve in the way that we act upon it, and actually change and shift the system and the way that we interact with this material, it will continue to ill-impact our health, the health of our children, and future generations who are not born yet. And we will be living in a giant garbage dump.
RS: OK. Now, to play devil's advocate here, finally, I saw something where there's a cleanup campaign involving booms on the ocean, and --
DC: Mm-hmm. It's called The Ocean Cleanup.
RS: Yeah. And --
DC: They're part of our coalition.
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