So these are the two people who are advising Powell, and by extension, me , as we develop this presentation. And I can only say , that after much research, much of
it done by my students at both the Honors Program at the George Washington University, and at William and Mary over these past eight years, I ' ve come to the conclusion that both of those individuals lied to the Secretary of State of the United States .
And that ' s " that ' s the ' pit ,' if you will, that ' s the ' abyss' explanation.
There are other factors at work here, everything from " G roupthink ' psychology to, as one individual said to me, "W e know he ' s got weapons of mass destruction.
When we get there, we ' re find them. It doesn ' t make any difference what the details are now, right or wrong.
When we get there, we ' ll find them! ' There was a lot of that, too.
So , the thing that worries me most, the thing that, as I said, is the
Nadir of all this, is the fact that the D.C.I. and the Deputy D.C.I. clearly lied to the Secretary of State .
And to me! ..B cause I was there putting it together for the Secretary of State .
Rob Kall: Now, Cheney was involved in this, too?
Lawrence Wilkerson:
Cheney was, as Shirley Ann Warshaw at Gett ysburg University , has said in her book, " Co-President ' .
I would go beyond that and even say that he was President f or many national security issues, especially in that first term before President Bush began to understand what Cheney was doing to him, fired Donald Rumsfeld in November 2006, and began to back away from Cheney.
But in those first four years, Cheney made many of the decisions , both domestic and international, that the administration got the blame for or the credit for.
And Cheney was the lead architect of the false intelligence.
And whether or not the Vice President , you know,
let his, as we say in the military, his rear - end overload his mouth, and really believe that Saddam Hussein had WMD, or he was just flat out lying
too. I can ' t c rawl in his head and say. I can guess that he sort of had this attitude, " He ' s got them !
He ' s mean ! He ' s awful ! He ' s evil ! And I don ' t care what we say to get rid of him.
I ' ll say anything to get rid of him ! " That was sort of Dick Cheney ' s motto, I think , s o " F or a professional like me, both military and diplomat ( short time that I had as a diplomat), it ' s very disconcerting to know that three hundred plus million people
[<300M] can be taken into a bloody and ultimately unsuccessful, and ultimately killing three or four hundred thousand [3-400k] people, war, on such flimsy evidence as that which we presented at New York in February of 2003.
Rob Kall: Are you still friends with Colin Powell? Do you still have a good relationship with him?
Lawrence Wilkerson:
Uh I think it ' s fair to say that it ' s sort of like Jefferson [Thomas] and Adams [John] , if you ' re familiar with that relationship after they fell out? Maybe it ' s not quite as bitter , but we don ' t talk to each other much anymore.
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