But that goes back to one issue that has been on the table and I believe is still on the table, which is the use of a thermal nuclear device down in the bedrock. You have to go and find the right place and you probably couldn't. You can't use a nuke in softer stone because all you're going to do is just turn this boil into an open raging wound. The Russians have done this but in less deep water. They've done this three or four times, where you place a small nuclear device into the bore hole and much deeper into the granite or basaltic rock. And you can literally with those temperatures melt a plug that will work. I don't know if that's possible, but it's clear that President Obama had sent nuclear experts down there right after the spill began. But I'm just aghast that the US government is not warning people. He is not telling pregnant women to get out of there. It's very shortsighted now to even try to focus on a return to drilling so that these people can go back to work. This is much bigger than that.
GARY NULL: And that brings up other issues. I certainly am empathetic when it comes to 200,000 people working in the oil industry being out of work. We've had all these years and tens of billions of dollars to only add a total of seven inches to the dike and nothing with Mr. Big, which is the canal that caused Katrina to become so bad. Now we're told don't worry about the fumes and you're saying, and I'm absolutely endorsing it: worry about the fumes. They could be putting monitors up on the beaches. They're not. They should be completely damming up the estuaries. They're not. They should be immediately building in the short term a soft city, meaning a tent city. They do it in Iraq. They do it in Afghanistan. In Haiti. They could have enough where at least families would have their own private living quarters, a general dining area, latrines, medical facilities, a school. They could put these people out of harm's way now. It would take maybe a week for the Army Corps of Engineers to go in, clear fields that are an hour back and level it out. Put in all the infrastructures so at least they have a transition place. They're not doing any of this.
MICHAEL RUPERT: But you know Gary in order to do that, they would have to do what they didn't do in lower Manhattan after 9-11. They would have to admit how serious the crisis is, and that's what they seem to be incapable of doing. I just launched Collapsenet.com as a sign of the changing of consciousness. We had members in 45 countries within three weeks. So the world is waking up to some of these issues, and we're going to focus on the Gulf. We have a number of members who are in Florida and the Gulf area and we're going to start cycling in authentic eyewitness reports about what's going on in the region so that we can begin to get good information out. I just shudder when I think at what you and I might be talking about on the air in two or three months. That just frightens me.
GARY NULL: I think that Obama should do the right thing and simply be honest and trust that the American public, when given the full facts he has been given, would then be able to create a national awareness and bring the best minds in America together to look for solutions. Right now there's only a small hand picked group of people--who are not the ones I would have picked--and it's all being done under British Petroleum's supervision, which is wrong.
MICHAEL RUPERT: That's a big point, Gary. Here's what I've come to. I just put an essay on Collapsenet.com basically entitled "He Who Has The Energy " Makes The Rules." We are living in peak oil. It has been acknowledged not only by the White House a couple of times but by Lord Hunt in Britain, the Energy Minister. I mean it's all come out. The world is running out of oil, and I'm pretty sure that when Tony Hayward and President Obama were sitting down, Tony was saying: look Mr. President, you want to keep your economy going? Of course the economy is about to implode at a much deeper level anyway. We need this oil and we need to keep this oil so we've got to do what we have to do to recover 60,000 barrels a day to get that to the refinery to avoid an oil price spike otherwise we shut down your whole economy.
He who has the energy makes the rules, and that's the great trap of the infinite growth paradigm where there's a 96 percent correlation between greenhouse emissions and GDP growth. And it is so sad to watch this involuntary suicidal attempt. It's almost hard to fathom that the whole region is pretty much doomed and it hurts to say that. But for God's sake, somebody's got to tell those people the truth.
And as I said in the movie Collapse, I said President Obama is a prisoner of a system that only gives him a very narrow range of options because the system is controlled by an infinite growth economic paradigm. The corporations own Congress and what we're seeing especially in the Gulf is this real disconnect between BP, which is a corporation, and the government which can't deal legally with a corporation.
GARY NULL: We're out of time. Michael Rupert, thank you for your input. We look forward to our next conversation.
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