J.B.: Well to de-corporatize it. So I, for example, am involved in a political party in Canada that is, you know, that has a very" I guess what would be called a left agenda. And I am interested in sort of both pushing it to adopt good policies and also trying to get it into governmental power. I think that, in many different ways, across the United States you have groups that are working to try to de-corporatize.
You have many, many groups, for example, that work to get their city governments to pass resolutions supporting overturning the Citizens United case with a constitutional amendment. So far that hasn't been successful, but it created a mass public movement. It mobilized people to do something. And you've got communities that, in terms of the "Childhood" book, you've got communities that are working hard to" it seems like a small thing, but it has mass effect- get Coke machines out of the hallways of their schools.
So at the local level you have people operating as citizens and trying to do something and even at the federal level, I mean, you do" the person who has the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, David Michaels, has fabulous ideas about regulations. He was a very, very progressive epidemiologist before he was in his position. So you know there are people who want to do things.
I think if there was a massive" if every citizen in the United States took seriously their responsibilities as citizens and actually became involved in democratic politics as much as they are able, I think a lot could happen and would happen. And maybe I am na????ve, but you know" so when I think of bottom up I think of the people actually reclaiming their rightful role and responsibility in a democracy, nothing more radical than that and I think that would make the world a much better place.
R.K.: It's certainly is a good thing, but it's kind of a vague idea.
J.B.: It's a vague idea to" bottom up is a vague idea, too. It's vague and"
R.K.: Fair enough.
J.B.: And I can tell you what I do concretely on a daily basis"
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