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So if he were to succeed in this, you could write off for our nation as a republic or as any kind of public sovereignty when it comes to foreign affairs, defense affair, military matters. There isn't much democracy now in the country as a whole. But we have essentially is an oligarchy, as I've discussed with you in the past. In terms of military and national, public doesn't have much say because they aren't told much, they don't know much about it.
Well, that's largely a fault of the media and our education and Congress investigations, our education system in general. The word empire is just absent from the consciousness of most Americans who have gone through our educational system and read the papers, which means they really can't understand foreign affairs and what's going on, that we are one, that we are the strongest empire in the world at this time, which is the way it is. And that depends on secrecy from the public of what empires to effect regime change, torture whose paramilitary actual invasions.
It occurs to me, we've had until recently what I call a Covert Empire, covert meaning plausible denial of what you're doing and who orders it. As in covert operations, we deny we're an empire. We deny what we do, like other empires, to effect regime change, to control other governments, to get them what we do. It's pretty well covered. The invasion of Iraq took the wraps off that one even in Vietnam we pretended to be coming in at the request of a sovereign government, the South Vietnam government, which was in fact a government we had created and controlled. It was a puppet, but at least that covered that plausible denial that we were running the affairs and some possibility not in Iraq.
Nobody invited us in Iraq. Nobody. Well, that's not quite true and full of people, especially people who hoped, you know, to be power. Ahmad Chalabi and others. There were some unquenched, but not from any official party, not from any major faction there. It was an invasion. Was a crime against the peace? Absolutely. And so if you ask what will happen?
If the First Amendment is discarded in this field as result of this case or Iracs, and that would lead not only to millions dead, to 37 million refugees. So a lot is at stake here.
Paul JayThank you for joining us, Daniel.
Daniel Ellsberg
Thank you, Paul.
Paul Jay
And thank you for joining us on theAnalysis.news podcast.
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