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But that's how they treat Bernie and that's how they treat progressives. And not just CNN.
Paul JayAnd I also think there's something happening amongst progressives on the left, there's so much inter-sniping, there are certain people that are attacking AOC because they didn't pressure Pelosi enough for this, something called Force The Vote.
Larry WilkersonThey're their own worst enemy.
Yeah. I mean, I have no idea whether that's a good tactic, a bad tactic.
But you don't denounce people like AOC and others, sellouts and others, which some people are saying, because of some disagreement over it, a tactic that wouldn't have succeeded. The amount of sectarianism is beyond belief. And that's obviously not just in the U.S. You see it all over the world, but it's if we don't overcome that kind of fighting that's taking place and develop a really broad, very broad front of forces.
Larry WilkersonIt makes me think constantly. And I agree with you globally as well as nationally, that progressives really don't want progress. I mean, it's in defiance of their own title, but they really don't want progress. They just want to be heard. They want to pontificate. They want to throw this or that idea out there. Sometimes the rarer and more radical the better. They don't want progress. That's not any way to accomplish a political goal.
Paul JayI'd agree about some.
Larry WilkersonI don't mean all.
Paul JayYeah, I think the Internet's really spurred that. That kind of politics was around. But now you can make yourself a brand by being so controversial and so critical.
You get views, you get clicks and you make money out of it. You know, the more noise you make, the more following you have.
Larry WilkersonWhat's in the Republican Party has been personified by Ted Cruz (R-TX) and now Hawley (R-MO), who seems to be the Cruz replacement. You make an ass out of yourself in the most austere body of the American government right off the bat, which is totally in contradiction of precedent. And you get a name and a following.
Paul JayYeah, actually, that's another thing which I still think McConnell did this deliberately because I think he's very savvy. But they hung Cruz out to dry here, too. I think in one swoop they accomplished quite a bit. I do give them credit for this.
Larry WilkersonHe's a good one to pick, because if you look at his district in Texas and then you look at the state where you have to win as a senator and you look at his elections, he's very vulnerable. It wouldn't take a whole lot of money and effort to defeat him. And, you know, they know that. So they got to find somebody to replace him probably, or be willing to lose that seat to the Democrats.
Paul JaySo let's get back into the moment.
So I missed this, but you were saying Pelosi was on television just before we started talking, and she's calling for the 25th Amendment is she?.
Larry WilkersonYeah and so I have to believe that they are counting heads even now because you've got to have two-thirds. So that's what I assume they're doing. And I assume she's cleared this with, not cleared, but coordinated it with McConnell.
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