R.K.: And the way I try to sell it to be people that they shouldn't eat GMO is they make the GMO plants so that they can tolerate herbicides and pesticides. And then they can spray the plants like crazy with herbicides and they won't die, but then that's what's on the plants.
PCR: Yeah, that's right. But it's worse than that. As the plant lives and feeds itself and grows the edible parts, that is coming out of soil that is now polluted, disrupted, lost all of its natural components and the consequences of that is going into the food product itself in ways that are not well known and understood, but which are showing up in high rates of abortions, of animals, reproductive problems, and premature aging. And these are not problems that have ever been experienced before, but they are now associated with animals fed on GMO diets. So last winter here, I am up in the mountains in a wildlife sanctuary and there were no acorns last year. None because of the way the climate did, the deer were starving, the turkeys were starving, and I said I can't stand this. I have got to feed these animals. It's illegal for me to do that. Not illegal but I mean you get chewed out, it's not illegal. And I got all of this corn and was feeding the deer and then it dawned on me, I'm feeding them GMOs. I've got to stop this. I can't do this. So then you think about hay and now Monsanto is introducing GMOs into alfalfa, so they're in hay. So this is why the company is called MonSatan. Monsatan. That's what it's called. M-o-n-s-a-t-a-n. And it's relentless. It is absolutely relentless.
R.K.: Yeah, I think it's probably the most hated company in the world and I must say I am very proud to have been personally attacked by their public relations director a number of years ago for what opednews did to make public what Monsanto was doing.
PCR: Well congratulations to you.
R.K.: Yeah.
PCR: But you see, the American people are so pitiful they can't even get labeling passed. So if American people are so weak and so pitiful that they can't get labeling on the GMOs, now you can get labeling on everything, everything is labeled, it shows you what chemicals it's got, what artificial flavors it's got, fructose corn syrup, but you cannot have it say it's GMO. So if people can't get products that are GMO labeled, how are they going to deal with any big issues such as the economy, foreign policy, the wars? The police state? One company can block the entire American population from getting labeling? Then how is that population going up against Wall Street, the military security complex?
R.K.: Yep. It's... we have got a... how about Europe? I mean Europe has been able to hold off GMOs and Monsanto. How have they been able to do it? I mean, again--
PCR: It's not a European company and so it's harder for it to influence the European governments though it has. There are some cases where they've had success and Europe probably has more independent funding for scientists. See, in the United States, independent funding for scientists has about disappeared. They're either funded by the military security complex or by agribusiness or by the oil industry. Do you see what I'm saying?
R.K.: Yes.
PCR: So there are not scientists out there who are funded for the sake of the truth or pure research. They are very few of that as possible in the United States anymore. The corporate interests fund it. So it produces their results. Otherwise the scientist doesn't have a career. So, in Europe it's not like that. Or it's starting, because the corporations learned from us. Hey, look we can get more power, let's finance this or let's do that and it's starting there but plus the Europeans, it's important to them. You know, French food makes American food look awful. So does Italian. So does Belgian. These countries are proud of their food cultures. They are renowned. I mean, each have their own kinds of culinary techniques, specialities, and so ingredients are very important to them. If you've ever--
R.K.: And we have fast food.
PCR: We have fast food. Yeah. If you have ever lived for any length of time in France and you have experienced shopping and the ingredients and the taste that comes with things and you compare it to what you can get here, there's no comparison. American ingredients are bland or tasteless compared to what you get in France. And so... but the inroads are being made and more and more super markets. When I was a student at Oxford, England didn't have supermarkets. There weren't any such thing. You went to the butcher shop, you went to the bakery, you went to the green grocers. And so shopping was a whole bunch of little shops that you did to get your groceries. And they were ingredients were good and things were good. But now, England is overrun with supermarkets. I know they're probably starting up in France and may be there. I don't know. It's been a long time since I spent much time in those countries, but so that's probably the reason. They know more. They've got better research, they have got more independent scientists and they are proud of the food and how it tastes. And it's important to them. It doesn't seem to be important to Americans who are happy to go to fast food or chain restaurants. Where everything is prepackaged and they stick it in the oven or the microwave and a lot of restaurants actually don't even need chefs. Because they're not cooking anything.
R.K.: Yeah, I recently went to the restaurant show, the biggest one in the country in Chicago and they have all these prepared packages they can just throw in and do. I mean, they don't, it's, you don't want to go there.
PCR: Right. And so that's a big difference with much of the rest of the world. The rest of the world isn't like that. But of course the United States is trying to make the rest of the world like that. And Monsanto--
R.K.: They do the same thing, the FDA does the same thing. Years ago, oh, about twenty-one years ago I went to Russia for a couple weeks and I met, at the time the head of the Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, which is like the equivalent to the head if the NIH and got to meet with a number of heads of different institutions there and when I came back, I don't know how, but I got a call from the FDA saying can you help us to get Russia to adopt our standards for drug regulation and control? It scared the hell out of me.
PCR: Well spying has been going on longer than we know.
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