I interviewed Matthew Fox on February 13th. This is part one of a two part interview. Here's a link to the audio podcast.
Thanks to Don Caldarazzo for doing the transcript.
I met Matthew Fox about nine years ago when we were both speakers at the first Mythic Journeys conference an amazing event bringing together writers, mythologists, psychologists, poets. At the time, I was running the Storycon Conference on the art science and application of story, which I'd founded two years earlier, and which ran for six years.
Matthew Fox was first stopped from teaching Liberation Theology by Cardinal Ratzinger, then defrocked. He has since lived an extraordinary life. But he also brings a unique point of view on Pope Benedict, the next pope the college of cardinals will choose and today's Catholic Church.
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Rob Kall: And welcome to the Rob Kall Bottom Up
Radio Show, WNJC 1360 AM out of Washington Township, New Jersey, reaching metro
Philly and South Jersey. My guest
tonight is Matthew Fox. Now, Matthew Fox
has an interesting story, and I'm going to ask him to tell us a little bit
about it. I invited you on, Matthew, and
welcome to the show...
Matthew Fox:
Thank you. Good to be here.
Rob Kall: I
invited you on because you know a lot about the Pope, Ratzinger, from a
different perspective than many. Can you
explain that?
Matthew Fox:
Yes. First of all, I wrote a
major book on him a year ago, and I've been translating the German and Italian,
called The Popes War: Why Ratzinger's Secret Crusade Has Imperiled the
Church, and How It Can Be Saved. I
was involved for twelve years in a battle with Ratzinger, and you have to
understand: he has pursued and hounded Theologians for the last thirty-some
years. I was just one of a hundred and
five [105] that he silenced and expelled or hounded in some way. In fact, I list the 105 (they're from all
over the world) in my book, at the end.
Ratzinger was a
young Theologian at the Second Vatican Council, and he was quite Progressive
there; he complained about the Curia and all the rest. But then in 1968, when he was a professor at
Tubingen University in Germany, the student riots were happening there (as they
were in Paris in Berkeley and every place else), and the students invaded a
faculty meeting and were honored to be heard, ranted and raved; and all the
faculty at the [incoherent word] stayed except one guy, and that was Ratzinger,
who stood up and walked out. People said
the next time they saw him, he was an arch-Conservative.
Then he made his
way up the Ecclesial ladder, but meanwhile, he brought the Inquisition
back. That's how History will remember
him. And he didn't do it alone: his boss
John Paul II gave him complete carte blanche to do that. And it's scary, because when you dumb down
the church, which is what has happened the last forty-two [42] years,
deliberately dumb it down, it's like General Motors firing all it's engineers!
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