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Well, I think if Trump does what we've been talking about, I think millions of people hit the streets. You get an explosion of a mass movement the country's never seen before.
And then if Biden becomes president at the end of that process, it's actually going to be an amazing situation where a people's movement is going to put real pressure on the Biden administration for real reforms, reforms that perhaps go even beyond what Bernie Sanders has been talking about.
Allan Lichtman
You know, you put your finger on something very important and we can close with this, that some of the greatest reforms have come out of some of the bleakest moments in American history. That kind of like Lazarus rising from the dead, positive change arises from crisis. We know, of course, that the civil war gave us the 13th Amendment, ending slavery, the 14th Amendment, and equal protection. The 15th Amendment on black voting. The Great Depression gave us the New Deal.
The racial turmoil of the 1960s gave us the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. So it is indeed possible. You know, when you're in the midst of these crises, it's hard to see, but it is indeed possible that some of the most constructive and positive changes could emerge.
Paul Jay
Thanks very much for joining us, Alan.
Allan Lichtman
All right. My pleasure. Take care.
Paul Jay
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