R.K.: But what I'm asking you, since then you've learned that your brain and your genetics have made you have all of these psychopathic characteristics. Any aspects of that that fit into the libertarian rationale?
J.F.: Well, yeah the people who know me well, especially people on the left, they say I'm heartless. They say don't you care about the children? I say what do you do about the children? Tell me objectively what you do other than talk about it. And you got to look at the behavior. So in fact I do do things, but I don't talk about it and I am involved with a lot of, and I always have been and actually doing something about it. I'm not saying I'm a good guy but I'm saying it's the action that matters, not the talk about the caring and all that. So I'm trying to get around the phoniness of it. But still people, left and liberals, they'll just say you're just heartless. Don't you want to keep throwing them a bone? And I go well that's unsustainable over the long haul. Over hundreds of years you can't run it because large governments and regulations, they end up spending so much money and they keep growing and growing and growing until everybody's broke. And I say, it can't work that way just because of the way human nature is, especially with large federated sorts of thinking. Part of it's practical and part of it's just weird, how to precisely define fairness and get emotionality out of it.
R.K.: Well where does fairness sit with the fact that the US has become one of the most unequal societies in the world in terms of opportunity for success for people who are poor for example?
J.F.: Well our society has really, the US has really drifted over the years on both the left and the right, so yeah it's not fair at all but crony capitalism, crony federalism and all of that is killing us. I don't know any libertarians who like that. It's quite unfair.
R.K.: We could do a whole session just talking about this stuff and we're running out of time unfortunately. Maybe we can revisit. Maybe I've given you enough buzz which you described as what motivates you in many ways.
J.F.: Any way. Right Great talking to you Rob.
R.K.: We'll do another show with you. Last thing, and just throwing it out of the blue, I call it the Bottom Up show, I'm very interested in top-down versus bottom-up ways, centralization, hierarchy, things like that. Are there any ways that you see that ties in with all of this brain and genetic stuff that you're talking about?
J.F.: Well I think the tendencies to favor those different levels of organization and where power comes from and where powers follow, I think it is very much affected by biology, including genetics. So all of those predilections and all those affinities with different personalities, different personality types and ways of ruling, I think are very much based in biology. So I think they can be defined. People don't want to take the magic out of life though. They like all of the mystery and the magic and in breaking it down scientifically, people don't want to do it. I think partially the funding isn't there to get real answers because people say don't take this magic away from us anymore.
R.K.: Interesting. Taking away the magic. And you wrap up saying that there is a sweet spot on the psychopathy spectrum, just tell us what's that about and let's wrap it up with that.
J.F.: Well the sweet spot I think is where you could be is where there are... you have some of the traits and it could give you a number of about fifteen total without the criminality and without getting into the social part, but all the other things could be very ... and so I think the sweet spot would, is that spot where you're very effective. You're very effective in the society and to yourself and you don't go overboard.
R.K.: Okay. Well we've got to wrap it up.
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