"Yeah."
"But Champ, what does society gain from this breakdown?"
"It's money, man, it's money. You can look at it this way: If you're in poverty, then there's going to be more crimes, and I'm going to have more control over you, because you're going to come back and see me again anyway. You ain't gonna have no means to be self sufficient, so I'm gonna get paid for housing you, for feeding you and you'll have to buy what you need off of me. It's the whole nine" It's just like what they're doing in Missouri now. They changed it. They were making it so people couldn't even pay a ticket. If you don't have all the money, they'll lock you up!"
"OK, all right. They've got a war on opiates now, but in the 60's and 70's, it was an epidemic, and they didn't have no war on it then. They're having it now because it only affects people that look like me." Junkies do come in all colors, however. Champ sees this as an accident, "The heroin wasn't intended for them. It was intended for us, to keep us down."
"OK, Champ, I want to talk about your son. He seemed to be doing all right in high school, but after that, he got in trouble quite a bit."
"Well, my son, ah" he got my DNA. Like I said, we're entrepreneurs, but what actually changed my son was" we had a home invasion. Some guys came in and it was him, his daughter and his daughter's mother. They pulled guns on my son and announced a robbery, whatever, and that changed his outlook on life."
"How old was he when that happened?"
"Eighteen."
"So did he decide to become a tough guy?"
"Well, you don't lay down like that. That's when he said, 'That ain't gonna happen to me no more.'"
"So did he get a gun or something?"
"No, I never seen him with a gun but, you know, kids are kids" I never seen him with a gun."
"But this home invasion changed his whole personality?"
"As far as the street, yeah. As far as the street because, ah, my son was a rapper. He did music. He wrote lyrics. He was like that, that was his thing. I used to tell him, 'Hey man, I don't like some of the stuff you write,' and he would say, 'Dad, it's like going to the movie. This ain't real. It's like you go to a movie, you watch the movie and then you leave. That's it!' So I said, 'OK, as long as you don't act it out.' It's just kids having fun, you know."
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