So, you know, again, Wray's supporters are going to say, "Look, he's anti-torture." That's not the case. This was a case -- this was -- they needed a scapegoat. They went after this guy Passaro. Maybe he was as guilty as they claim, but I don't think he got a -- I don't think he got a fair trial. But more importantly, it wasn't a case of justice being served in the way it should be.
AMY GOODMAN: Finally, I just wanted to go back to one issue regarding what is enveloping the White House now. President Trump didn't have a public event in the last three days. He heads off to Paris tonight, invited by the French president for Bastille Day. He'll hold a very brief presser tomorrow. But The Washington Post reporting on a concerted effort to go after journalists right now, from the White House. I was just watching a discussion with the head of the White House Correspondents' Association. The White House had approached him, Jeff Mason, head of the White House Correspondents' Association -- he's with Reuters -- to criticize another journalist's work. And specifically going after journalists now, going back through their past to discredit journalists, as they, themselves, at the White House, are embroiled in this scandal, Marcy?
MARCY WHEELER: Part of me says, "Good luck," because these are great journalists. The ones -- the four people who bylined on that story include people who have taken on Dick Cheney in the past, people who have exposed some real intelligence scandals in the past -- Apuzzo and Goldman, who exposed the NYPD spying scandal. And so, they're good journalists. What you're going to find, if you go into their background, is that they have a history of telling really important stories. In fact, DOJ has gone after Goldman and Apuzzo before on another story that, you know, raised questions about the CIA's counterterrorism programs. You know, I don't think that's going to help the White House, especially given that in this case the key smoking gun, as you called it, is the email that Don Jr. released himself. I mean, how are you going to go after the journalists, when your son is the one who released the key piece of evidence?
AMY GOODMAN: Well, Marcy Wheeler, I want to thank you for being with us, independent journalist who covers national security and civil liberties, runs the website EmptyWheel.net, speaking to us from Grand Rapids, Michigan.
This is Democracy Now! When we come back, we go to Mexico City, and we go to Canada, to learn about a surveillance program that the Mexican government is using to go after those investigating the killing or the disappearance of the 43 students in 2014. This is Democracy Now! Back in a minute.
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