Rob: Not the good guys they claim to be, right?
RDS: They're not. They're absolutely a great evil to include they just destroyed anonymity. So I like Larry Page...we're both members of the same hackers conference. Larry is a good engineer. But like many engineers, he's deficient in the ethical aspects and he doesn't really have the big picture on how Google could really be of service to the public.
But the internet in -- and that reminds me, I need to move the liberation technology slide into something I'm doing -- the Arab Spring demonstrated that on the one hand, when you shut down the internet you drive people into the street, which is a very positive thing for democracy in revolution; but it also demonstrated that governments don't understand the internet and that there are some phenomenal workarounds. And one of the things that I certainly want to get to is an internet that is completely autonomous -- in fact you can look for the autonomous internet roadmap at the P2P foundation. I believe we need to get to an autonomous internet that cannot be censored, cannot be monitored, and cannot be shut down. And that is part of the open source manifesto.
Rob: Say that again....an autonomous internet that cannot be censored, monitored or shut down?
RDS: Right.
Rob: How does that happen?
RDS: We build it ourselves...with open source hardware. In fact, HOPE, there were some excellent briefings...let's see if I've got...oh yes, think penguin. www.thinkpenguin.com. They're now offering open source routers that create localized mesh networks, which means that you can create your own local community internet, with an open source router at multiple locations. They're offering open source laptops...of course you know about OpenBTS, open base transceiver station -- that's what provides free cellphone service for large communities as long as they make the investment in the $10,000 box that is then put up a bamboo pole or whatever. So I believe the internet needs to become on the one hand dark fiber and free access to the internet and that will be enormous for the education of women in foreign countries...
Rob: Wait, wait...you just broke up. You said we need dark fiber and what else?
RDS: I'm sorry, I can't remember....just move on. But I believe that apart from dark fiber, which should be a public service, we need to have an internet that is a public service that cannot be closed down. Period.
Rob: Okay, that sounds like a good thing. So in one of your other talks, you said, and I quote, "until we can get to one man one bullet for the top six thousand..." -- you remember that?
RDS: Say that again?
Rob: You said, "until we can get to one man one bullet for the top six thousand..."
RDS: Oh, well the Earth Intelligence Network logo has a bowl for food and water, and a shovel for construction, and a quill pen for education...and then it has a stiletto. One of the saddest things about American warfare is that we have substituted technology for thinking, and we have substituted indiscriminate violence for precision violence. These drone attacks that CIA is doing, which it has no business doing -- I mean they're a crime against humanity and every President that continues to allow CIA to do this is liable under the international tribunal for crimes against humanity, as is of course the CIA director -- these drones are killing 98 percent collateral damage, women and children and innocent men. And these drones are essentially a program that spends money to enrich select US contractors while causing indiscriminate violence overseas without regard for the consequences. This is criminally insane misbehavior.
If you're actually competent at counterterrorism -- I was one of the first CIA case officers that chased terrorists in the 1980s -- if you're actually competent, first off, you avoid creating terrorists in the first place. Second off, if there's someone that has to be killed, you should be able to make that case to an international tribunal and get a judgment that allows you to kill them, and then you should be able to find them and kill them directly, individually, without muss and fuss and collateral damage. And although we were able to do that with Pablo Escobar, the reality is that today, we're not serious about law enforcement. The FBI, for example, which was created and managed by a pedophile for decades -- the FBI will go after child porn but it won't after the elites in Boston, New York and Washington that have child slaves...sex slaves. So I really hold our military and our government in high regard on the one hand -- there are professions that are, in my view, priceless and essential to the public, they're occupied by good people trapped in a bad system; and I also hold them in low regard -- they lack intelligence and integrity; they're not doing their job...they are not servicing the public well.
Rob: Okay so you've said a couple things that I need to back up and go over with you. You said that the real problem of NSA is it appears to be blackmailing members of Congress and engaging insider trading to create a black budget? Can you talk about that and how you know that, and what evidence there is of that?
RDS: I am speculating based on both my past and my deep understanding of what their capabilities are, and everything I have read over the past two years. Now, Congress should be investigating this but they clearly have been intimidated into not investigating this. I do not know if Edward Snowden is a White House mandated counter attack on NSA by the CIA. I've met Snowden's parents and I have now moved from being very skeptical about the possible Chinese recruitment lie to believing that Snowden is 90 percent authentic and absolutely working in the best interest of democracy. My belief that he was in fact groomed for this and provided with all of the documents and that he is being managed by CIA has gone up from 15 percent to 30 percent in the last week. Whatever his motivation...
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