We, of course, are looking backwards. And no better example of that than Trump in North Dakota, the obscene party about the Dakota Access pipeline, as archaic and dangerous a piece of technology as we've seen in this nation in a long time, coupled with his absurd promise that he's going to make the drought disappear in North Dakota. Look, the unreason that stems straight from the fossil fuel industry and its inability to deal with the fact that its business model has to change, that's what's at the bottom of an enormous amount of what we see around us right now.
AMY GOODMAN: And finally, where the climate movement is now, speaking out and connecting these issues, like your group, 350.org?
BILL McKIBBEN: So, the two important -- I think we're basically in an endgame now. And the two points that we're trying to make, and will make over and over and over again all over the world, with increasing success in most places except the United States, are, one, we got to have it all, in terms of renewable energy. We have to go to 100 percent renewable energy, and we have to do it fast. That's why Senator Sanders has introduced that bill at a national level, along with Senator Merkley. That's why dozens of cities, from Atlanta to Salt Lake to San Diego, have adopted 100 percent renewable policies.
Along with that all, we also have to say nothing. We have to say there will be no more fossil fuel infrastructure development. And that's why we're fighting so hard every single pipeline, every single new coal mine. For the moment, of course, Trump is ascendant with the fossil fuel industry. They're getting their wishes in this country. But like many things that Trump touches, I think that this is a last gasp. People will come to associate, are coming to associate, the insanity of going full speed ahead into this greenhouse future with the most reckless and crazy president that we've ever had.
AMY GOODMAN: Bill McKibben, I want to thank you for being with us, co-founder of 350.org. A number of his books out, including the last one, Eaarth: Making a Life on a Tough New Planet. This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org, The War and Peace Report. I'm Amy Goodman, with Nermeen Shaikh.
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