M.S.: Non intimacy with sexuality, and the extreme now is there are apps essentially where they you have locators and you push a button, let's just say you're in a department store or a certain location on the street, you push it and it will essentially list other people that are sexually ready and wanting at that moment. And essentially you go around the corner into the community bathroom or what have you and you have sexual encounter and that's that. So there are actual apps for this, increasingly popular.
Rob: Are there studies on this?
M.S.: Well, there's a really interesting study on that actually with the augment of STDs associated with these apps. So yes there are studies very interesting ones.
Rob: What effect does that have on marriage and healthy relationships?
M.S.: I think you should still again this is through my experience as a therapist. I think infidelity is climbing. I put it in the classification of bullying, it always was around but it's the accessibility issue. Again I talk about this in the book where people who were, for whatever reason, dissatisfied with their sexual life with their partnerships whether it's emotional, physical irregardless. They had to actively go out and seek it, meaning they had to overtly want to have an affair or it would just naturally happen in environments where people spend enough time for curiosity to really develop but that's another form of intimacy; that's not non-intimate. But we see this in terms of the dating sites now; standardized dating sites have whole sections that are dedicated to individuals who are supposedly in monogamous faithful relationship. Of course there are the overt cheating sites, the most infamous of them Ashley Madison.
Rob: Wait, what is Ashley Madison? What's that?
M.S.: Ashley Madison it was one of the first cheating websites overtly geared towards people in relationships who did not want to leave the relationship but wanted extramarital affairs. And it was a big hoopla when it came out but any dating site now actually I shouldn't say any, I should be careful, many dating sites now will have a section for that. And essentially it's being normalized, you open up your computer and you know, do you want a date tonight or if you open up the newspaper now, the advertisers for prostitution services; it was always covert before. Then again I'm sorry I'm getting into the __ [1:20:15] which I shouldn't but it used to be more covert and it's the availability that's augmenting the acceptability. People don't have to make an effort for an extra marital affair now, they literally click on a button and depending on whom they find and how responsive they are, they can be involved in an affair within three minutes.
Rob: Wow.
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