R.K.: Okay.
T.D.: The closest I got, I was able, I know I did not get in front of the committee publicly, but I did provide for the Congressional Record although it's obviously buried, there was a government committee on contracting, government contracting, this goes back a year, goes back to 2012. This was not quite a year and a half ago.
I provided a statement for the record regarding NSA contracting through the filter of Trailblazer and Thin Thread, but in terms of the secret surveillance programs or the extraordinary loss of intelligence, all this means the government pout out like if we had the surveillance programs in place we could have stopped 9/11, well they actually had the technology to stop 9/11 they just chose to ignore it. Never mind -
R.K.: We're going to get to that -
T.D.: Never mind, Rob they had the intelligence about 9/11, of course there's culpability on part of FBI and CIA, NSA actually had smoking gun indications, warning intelligence regarding the Al Qaeda switch board safe house and they simply did not share it.
R.K.: Okay, let me jump ahead then, Obama said quote today , we were shaken by the signs we had missed leading up to the attacks. How they hijackers had made phone calls to known extremists and traveled to suspicious places so we demanded that our intelligence community improve its capabilities and that law enforcement change practices and focus more on preventing attacks before they happen than prosecuting terrorists after an attack. End quote.
Now, from what you've told me and from what you just said, they already had the technology, they already had the capabilities, right?
T.D.: Yes. Even separate from what could have been. Even in terms of effective efficiency, they actually had it. Remember the pathology? If I have the data and I give it away, that power, information is a currency of power, in this mindset, in this pathology, that takes priority over the value of what the information can actually provide in terms of the fundamental responsibility, of the preamble of the constitution which the government is supposed to provide, one of the two primary responsibilities besides the general welfare, the other being provide for the common defense.
It over-rides even the fundamental mission, to provide for the common defense because you're hoarding information. If I give you what I know then I am giving away power. Why would I want to do that? That's the pathology.
R.K.: Okay, this is-
T.D.: They had it.
R.K.: -the whole mentality where they keep secrets from everybody, as soon as one member of the NSA lets go of his secret, he loses his power.
T.D.: Yes. The secret itself is power but it's a currency of power and because I hold it in secret it's like my secret cash hoard Only I know that it's a hoard! No one else does and I have the power to withhold, keep it from others. I have the power to withhold them even knowing that I have a hoard! Or what's in it.
R.K.: Now we talked on Tuesday night at dinner about 9/11 and we talked about truthers and we talked about the falling buildings and your take on that is, could you just go briefly in how do you respond to truthers and the falling buildings, all three of them?
T.D.: I know you're jumping around here. I have been asked this a number of times because obviously I have become more than a footnote in history in light of the egregious government case, by the way, a slight correction, they dropped all of the felony charges as part of a plea agreement that was ultimately determined on my terms and I pled out to a misdemeanor for exceeding authorized use of a computer just to clarify for the record, okay?
R.K.: Okay.
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