Rob: And I would see when they came out of it, they would start talking and they would start interacting with people and I saw some, what seemed to be, benefits. And I know that you are totally opposed to it.
BB: Correct.
Rob: And I saw people who were totally disabled by their hallucinations, literally, wiping their excrement on the walls.
BB: And we know that. No one in the antipsychiatry movement, or the critical side, has ever questioned that reality. We have different explanations for it and different answers to it. But no one has ever questioned that people find themselves in absolutely appalling states, in which some kind of assistance is needed. Nobody would question that.
Rob: So what do you do with them?
BB: It depends who they are. It depends what they want. It depends what happened to them. To ask, but to lock them up, to brain damage them with electroshock, no that's not the answer. The, to try to help them figure out their reality and negotiate their reality, that begins to be an answer. You know.
Rob: INAUDIBLE 30:42
BB: But that is not a simple answer and it is not a, you know, it is not so much an industry, an answer, an answer on a humane, human level which is where I think we need to get back.
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