Rob: Okay. We've got three minutes left. How would you like to wrap?
BB: Well I'm not sure, I guess just with an invitation to people because I know a lot of what I am saying must feel outside of their normal way of thinking. I guess the invitation is, I'm inviting people to try to imagine that kind of world. To try to imagine a world where we did things differently. Where we did things more in cooperation with each other. Where we relied on professionals way way way less. Where we saw ourselves and the people around us as people who can eek out solutions together. I'm asking people to consider that, and then to try to find some place in their life to use that. That way of being, that they haven't inter- used it previously and see what happens.
Rob: Okay, but that makes me think about, let's say it's a parent who has a kid who's on Ritalin or Adderall or something like that. How do people living in the system that we live in, move out of it, shift out of it without getting in trouble?
BB: Bit by bit. Pick one area where you're going to get out of it and take a look at that. Okay. I have seen parents with children, you know I've seen parents with children, some come to the solution for instance the drug is really really hurting their child and helping their child withdraw from the drug. It's certainly one possibility. Arguing with teachers who want your child to be attendant, not curiously going after that. Argue with teachers, try to create other kinds of systems where, you know, other types of educational systems and you know, in which children can explore more, where it can be okay to have your attention wonder. Where it can, in fact, be seen as a gift. Because that's what children are doing because children are supposed to be curious. Nobody can wholesale do very much by themselves. But one thing people can do is, in this area, is to get together with other people who are unhappy with what's happening and introduce whatever minor shift you can.
Rob: We can have this conversation go on a lot longer but you've got to go. I really want to thank you for being with me here. I've been speaking with Bonnie Burstow, author of Psychiatry and the Business of Madness. Thanks Bonnie.
BB: Thank you so much, Rob.
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