Rob: I think you're right. And I really love what you have to say, so I needed to put this stuff out there because, you know I went through that. I worked at a mental -
BB: Understand.
Rob: - health inpatient unit from 1973 to 1975 and I watched electroshock being done. But what you talk about, it reminds me, I was at a presentation at the psychologists for social responsibility a number of years ago. And they talk about the difference between cultures that use drugs and cultures that use community. And I think this is really the bottom line of what you're talking about.
BB: Absolutely bottom line. And it's cultures that use control and cultures that use cooperation. I mean we really have to decide what kind of culture we want to be and the culture that we have become to me is so wrong-headed and so destructive.
Rob: So when you're talking about this idea, this is not some crazy idea that nobody's ever done. This is the way it's done in other cultures, right?
BB: Well, it's done less and less in other cultures because psychiatry is colonizing those other cultures bit by bit by bit. And through things like the World Bank, you have, you're in desperate need of money, we will only give you money if you take up the mental health template of the west. So you know those cultures are rapidly disappearing. Which is really scary.
Rob: And what about indigenous cultures.
BB: Same thing. Psychiatry colonizes--
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