And I'm not really results oriented, or results driven about anything. I, I think I describe myself in the book, as I feel like a process more than anything else. You know I'm not the result of a, of an equation, a mathematical formula, I am the formula itself. I'm the way that the formula works, and you apply that formula to different numbers and it works the same way. And it doesn't matter what the inputs are, and it doesn't even matter what the results are. What matters most to me, and is most interesting to me is the, the way it works.
So the idea of shadow, seems to be a pretty accurate description.
Rob Kall: Okay. Lets talk about morals, and your morals, your way of of approaching morals, your, your opinion about morals, and how you deal with them.
M.E. Thomas: Yeah, morals to me, I don't really understand morality. I don't think. I am kind of maybe a little like an idiot about it. And to some extent I really don't understand things like philosophy too.
I do understand and am interested in ethics. I think ethics are interesting. And I at least certain sorts of ethics. Utilitarian ethics, they seem very similar to the way I kind of have naturally adapted to live my life. Where, you know, what is a right and wrong decision. Are people gonna be angry, is there gonna be a mob with pitchforks and, you know fire torches, if I do a particular thing? Probably not as long as it's utilitarian, that is as long as I can make some sort of justification that what I'm doing leads to the, the greater good. You know that it's going to lead to greater utility for everyone, even if it seems selfish. There's certain selfish things that we do that are still utilitarian.
So ethics I think is more what I'm interested in. I'm interested in efficiency, I'm interested in, let's try to find a stable way that everybody's happy. I've always been sort of that way as a, a middle child in my family, a little bit of a power broker. You know, if it's, if there's a small problem, lets just solve the problem that way we can all be happier. And have, maybe because it's growing up in a big family its able too, I'm able too look at society that way too. That society is better if we do these small things, if we act politely to each other if we use good manners.
But the idea of morality, I don't really think I understand it. It seems like morality is, has an emotional component to it that's different than ethics.
Rob Kall: What is, what is ethics then, how is it different from morality? And why is that something that you can get connected too?
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