So you don't necessarily want to engage the sociopath, or make it seem, you want the sociopath to make it, the sociopath to think it was his idea to leave you. That it wasn't your idea to leave him. If the sociopath gets a whiff of the thought that it's your idea to leave him, then it becomes a power struggle.
Rob Kall: Huh. And what happens then? What do you do then?
M.E. Thomas: If it becomes a power struggle, I, if people are locked in a power struggle with a sociopath, you can beat them. I mean they're just, they're good at manipulating, and they're very cunning and conniving people kind of naturally, they're predators. But we kill predators all the time, right? There are other predators that kill other predators. I just think, it kind of depends on what people are willing to do, and willing to give up. Because for a sociopath, it's almost like sociopaths in general have nothing to lose. They're not really so invested in their lives, they're not really so invested in society or in their family, so they're willing to kind of always take it to the next level. Which most other people aren't. So if you get in a fight with a sociopath, you, you have to be willing to really go the distance with them in order to, in order to have any degree of success.
Rob Kall: What does that mean? What does that mean, go the distance?
M.E. Thomas: To get like really ugly behavior. Let's, let's say like a divorce, people want to divorce a sociopath, I tell people if they're fighting for child custody, against a sociopathic co parent, then you say to them, "Fine, take the kids". And most people don't want to say that, but does a sociopath, does a sociopath really want to raise children? *chuckles* No. A sociopath is probably just using it as a bargaining chip, you know.
If you're attached to the family home, and the kids, and these sorts of things, it's not a good idea for you to fight a sociopath. Because they're going to realize that you're attached to those things, and use those things against you. So you have to have the sensation, or the sort of belief that you have nothing to lose. That everything that you have, that you own, or that's in contention, you are willing to give up. That, and that way you probably will win against a sociopath, if you have nothing to lose.
Rob Kall: Interesting.
M.E. Thomas: Yeah.
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