M.E. Thomas: Yeah, it's a good, I mean, so ethics to me, ethics is a set of rules that we can sort of reason too, right? Like this is a, a better idea for us to do this, so legal ethics for instance. Legal ethics are specific to the law in which every attorney is just one side of a teeter totter. And you're not trying to achieve balance with your representation of the client. You're trying to advocate strongly on behalf of your client, and it's the other attorney's job to also advocate strongly on behalf of their client, and that's how the system achieves balance, right?
So ethics is, we come up with a system, that meets our particular goals, whatever those goals are. Morality seems to be something that people are, that's inborn to a certain extent in most people. I was just reading a study that talked about these kindergarten age children, and about whether they understood the difference between the morality of hitting somebody versus cleaning up their room. And they did understand it, because you would ask them, you know, "Why, why is this wrong? And what if your teacher said it was okay to hit somebody? Would it still be okay to hit somebody, or would it be, then become okay to hit somebody?" "No, it wouldn't be okay to hit somebody." "What if your mom told you that it was okay to leave your room messy, then would it be okay to leave your room messy?" "Yes."
Right, so they understand that there are certain things that are always wrong, even if your mom or your teacher tells you they're okay. And other things that are just prohibited because, you know for whatever ethical reason, or some, some other societal goal that's being met by having this particular thing prohibited.
So, I, I know that there seems to be morality, people respond to morality. Again, I saw it in law school, people who have emotional reactions to particular things. I've even seen emotional reactions, a lot of emotional reactions, to sociopaths. And particularly from the book, and people just saying that they're very evil, and people that I think, you know are generally sort of rational people, will just shut down about any sort of discussion about sociopaths. And think, let's just kill them. Where, you know, normally they wouldn't say that sort of thing about any other sub class of human kind.
Rob Kall: And that's, that's true. You know I guess the thing for me about sociopaths that's most scary is the idea that they're predators.
M.E. Thomas: Right.
Rob Kall: What can you say about that predatory aspect of sociopaths?
M.E. Thomas: I think that sociopaths are naturally aggressive, definitely. Their naturally aggressive, and they they naturally have the skills to harm people. So in a lot of ways they are like predators. You know you, I, you imagine things like, the, Siegfried and Roy, right? They're dealing with these white tigers, and you can tame a white tiger, but it can still, turn on you, right? That they just have these natural inclinations, so to a certain extent they're always going to be dangerous. Even if you can, sort of tame them. Even if you can socialize them. There's certain aspects of a sociopath that are always going to be dangerous.
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