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This is the second half of the transcript of this interview done on June 20,2013. (You can read the first half of the interview here.)
Clive Boddy, Author, Corporate Psychopaths
Rob Kall : It seems to
me, that what you're describing is the collapse of community and connectedness
among people in companies. Because if you have more of that then, these kinds
of behaviors are going to be more easily identified and detected and talked
about and brought to leadership.
Clive Boddy : Yes, I
think that's a good point. Where you have more and more connections you've got
greater chance of identifying them in the first place, and therefore
restraining their influence, or restraining their gaining of management
positions.
Rob Kall : It makes me
think, and I call my show the Bottom Up Radio Show, most of the interviews I do
are related to the idea that there's the transition from a top down to a bottom
up world, our culture, our brains, and that people are getting more connected
in some ways, but at the same time there are problems that are affecting our
connections. Like globalization hurts community, consumer culture hurts
community, and it seems to me that those kinds of things are having this side
effect really, that leads to opening up corporations to being more vulnerable
or susceptible to allowing entry to these kinds of predators into their upper echelons.
Clive Boddy : Yes I agree
with that. I think one of the things that can perhaps constrain it is, there
are a number of large European companies that tend to recruit at the graduate
level, and then they keep the people within the company, over a long term
career. And through doing that they can get to know the people in greater
depth, the employees in greater depth and prevent them, the more abberant
personalities from getting to the top. But suddenly even those companies, who
do traditionally do that, are now starting to look outside their own ranks to
recruit people. And as soon as you start bringing in people who you don't know
the true character of, then of course there's the danger of bringing in
somebody whose too ruthless and too psychopathic.
Rob Kall: Are
there certain industries that tend to do that more than others?
Clive Boddy: Oh
well, recruit and then keep the staff?
Rob Kall: No,
industries that will hire people without knowing who they're hiring.
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