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silent. That's a very dangerous threat to the independence and freedom, not only of the press,
but of the free democratic society altogether, something that the framers of the Constitution
understood very well, as we mentioned. We want to give it up, let's do it openly and honestly.
Jimmy Dore
Let me go now to Daniel Ellsberg, let me just put that same question to you. Have you seen the
imprisonment of Assange, the effect that it's had already on dissent in journalism?
Daniel Ellsberg
Remember, I'm not a journalist, I'm a soldier, so I see it from that aspect. There's no question
that the various prosecutions you've seen, especially under Obama and now even more, as was
predicted, President Trump has brought more prosecutions, actually, than Obama against
sources, as well as this one against a journalist here. And the intent of that, obviously, is to dry
up the sources, which journalists in general, my impression, as a source, journalists don't see
sources as part of the journalist's process, their raw material or their resources of some sort, I
think journalists tend to see sources, including me, the way that cops feel about their informers,
their informants in the gangs and their snitches. They're criminals. They're breaking a law which
they aren't, as I was trying to explain, that the journalists assume there is a law that applies to
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