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criminal as to do it ourselves. Now, what Chelsea revealed and what Julian published was a
huge pattern of these crimes showing that it wasn't an isolated instance, but clearly was a
policy.
She had been told and many people that she revealed in the Iraqi reports the war logs, and I
was with Julian when he released the Iraq war logs in London, had actually done what she'd
done, which was say these people are going to be tortured and in every case, clearly, as a
matter of policy, they were told, "leave it alone, don't follow that up,". That was an illegal order, it
was followed by everyone but Chelsea, who spent seven and a half years in prison as a result,
essentially, but a policy like that goes up the chain and clearly was allowed by the White House,
by the president.
So she was revealing crimes, war crimes by President Obama and his predecessor, George W.
Bush. And I suspect that has a lot to do with why this is continuing pursuit goes on. Alice has
said, if crime stops at the foot of the government if officials can't be prosecuted and what
Obama did essentially was to decriminalize torture by refusing to prosecute. Jimmy, you're
quoting him and saying, well, that's in the past, strictly speaking, prosecutions referred to the
past, certainly still in this country. And that if you're not going to prosecute, it's effectively not a
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